I did not close it in support of Trump or his administration, but in support of the real American values such as our First Amendment right. The last sheep and wool festival I attended, all the left-leaning TDS knitters did was bash POTUS when no one was even discussing him.. they were so obsessed and it all started with those stupid pussy hats. Being a gay man who knits in this community is nothing novel. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I’ve seen name calling and vulgarity on both sides, and my respectful posts disagreeing with the policy have simply disappeared. Cheers! That’s how Communism has taken hold of countries historically. OH, I couldn’t stop laughing! Crafting brings so many people together, it’s such a weird stance for them to do so! I’m in the process of scaling back immensely. I have enjoyed Ravelry as a fiber art resource that I haven’t found anywhere else. Apparently, although being banned is not supposed to delete one’s data on Ravelry, deleting one’s account does; there is a warning message to that effect when one goes through the delete process. The site just wanted it’s 15 minutes of woke internet clout right at the beginning of election season. No, their decision clearly screamed a desperate attempt to keep us at each other’s throats. All political statements and items reflecting hate towards a person or group should be banned and removed. Yeah, dont get me started. Thanks for that. It’s time someone else started a group for what Ravelry was SUPPOSED to be meant for – a place to share and/or sell all aspects of the “yarn arts”. Beliefs…long live Ravelry. Again thank you, I have met so many amazing people through Ravelry – from all walks of life. In other words, we will promote our political agenda, which has nothing to do with knitting, but no one else can so much as make a peep to in support of something we oppose, which also has nothing to do with knitting. They’ve made it completely forbidden to express the opinion that Trump supporters are *not* all of those lies people tell. You don’t want to sit at the table with us. This is the LAST time.) The haters can’t beat us!! He is looking for input from the early members on how to make the site be what we want it to be. You can love me and not like my decisions! What’s even more insidious, on one group I think someone was pretending to be pro Trump and making vulgar ridiculous comments to further inflame the group. Presently looking for an alternative. Support of the Trump administration is unambiguously support for white supremacy.”, I just slowly shook my head and looked over at my yarn and thought, “Oh, you poor skeins….you were not spun to be weapons.”. Thank you for this. Goes totally against the vein. Thank you for capturing what I’ve been thinking all week. Many, many (most?) I felt that there was no reason for the WAY it was written and using Trump and his administration as a scapegoat goat as well. I didn’t end up deleting my account. Just strive to be a kind and caring person. We can all agree and disagree about patterns, colors, worsted or sock weight and keep all politics out of it. Your life sucks. Mimi – I was at an LYS Sock-A-Long and everyone was bashing Trump. This is just another way to divide the community. I also have loved being able to create project pages for each crochet item I complete, and maintain a collection of all the crochet patterns I have found on Ravelry that I have either used or would like to use. You want to “build bridges”. After a while, human reasoning becomes non-existent, opinion becomes fact and truth becomes what ever they want. I don’t think they wanted conservatives to leave, that’s why they took great pains to say they weren’t banning us. Sadly I downloaded a couple in another language so I will have to translate them. Please give examples and proof of what you accuse him of. Well said Greg…. But Jackie, they ARE keeping politics on their site – just the politics they want to see. It is Ravelry that is racist and intolerant, not Trump. FYI – The Trump ban was as a result of one of the pattern makers spying on and attacking another member who reported a pattern that violated TOS. As it looks more and more like a Trump win in 2020, with a large percentage of the black vote, they’ll be more of this. All I want to say is if this is a love that you have, lets not let these political views come into an art that brings comfort, love, & joy. I crochet and knit. Updates: October 15 October 07, 2020 - 2020. I’m wondering if there’s room for me in the yarning universe anymore. I edited my report message to that effect. Both are making their way through development. I felt that in calling Trump what they did, they insulted yarn artists who support him…as you said, how does this bring us together to heal, share, laugh and bond? Makes me sad. I took anything I purchased, downloaded it, and walked away from Ravelry. You have to do that one at a time, and it’s a tedious process. Perhaps you should shop the FUCK TRUMP patterns. I had an email from one of the Russian knitters I had purchased a stunning pattern from who asked me what kind of idiots were in charge at Ravelty. Thank you for this. Very sad and I was hurt by it. Conservative Christian 72 yr old straight white woman here. Too much negativity- as so many others have said, knitting/crocheting used to be something that brought us all together. When I first read this last night I couldn’t believe it. We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. I certainly will not be visiting again as I too have deleted my account after contacting them and telling them why. If there is any positive that comes out of this, it is how it is bringing people together. Indeed, colours and weight are a full time argument on their own. I feel Lottsa books out there. You go Gregory!!! Though they did say that it was also against the rules to provoke conservatives or to bait them, just how is someone supposed to complain of abuse that would require them to identify themselves as holding the forbidden opinions? As far as Trump goes? I hate that they chose to handle things this way. I doubt Disney, Marvel, Warner Bros, etc give rat’s patootie about their fair use BS. This is so eloquently said thank you for posting and so true it breaks my heart to see the world getting more and more divided, I am 59 my sisters were 8,7,6 years older this is so not how I was rasied…my mother said you like EVERYONE till that person upsets you dont group people togerher….I grew up in the world of we each have a side, Lets Talk which is what knitting and knitting with others does, you are so far ahead of these people who wear blinders. So censored for nothing. I doubt I will attend another sheep and wool festival. Why do you think people who agree with Ravelry aren’t thinking for themselves? Everyone should be and feel welcome in the knitting and fiber community as long as respect remains pivotal. I really don’t give a rats backside what a person’s race is or their sexual orientation. I don’t want to be connected to people like this. A rough random bouncing around of the pages seems to reveal that about 98% have no projects, no stash, no posts, no patterns, nothing. Thank you. 3. I, for one, really appreciate it. Why is a Fuck Trump pattern allowed on Ravelry but not a God is Love pattern that was banned? I want to know about knitting.. Vehemently! How is that NO politics? Since you obviously don’t agree at all with the original post, you’ll probably be much happier chatting with like-minded individuals on a different blog. Since we've been having fun counting down to milestones and sharing stats, we thought that you'd enjoy this page of interesting facts about Rav. You obviously didn’t read or understand the post. Keep knitting, spinning, weaving and playing with yarn! Thanks for the update on Lion Brand Wool-Ease. It took the route of calling all Trump administration supporters, or even those who wanted to find some good in his administration White supremists and banned any supporting words for dialog. Shame on you ravelry for being so judgemental. However, I will survive without it. There is a new site coming to give Ravelry some competition: They will offer the same amenities as Ravelry but with upgraded new technology. I don’t agree with everything our president does, nor have I agreed with all the actions of past preaidents. It never even occured to me to do so! Truly, thank you so much for that! I’m a conservative straight dude that plays board games at a gay bar. I am keeping my Ravelry account, not because I am a liberal, but because I still want that creative connection. Thank you to the writer of this article for a level headed approach to this issue. Thank you for posting alternatives. I’ve been wondering about it ever since I deleted my Ravelry account a few days ago…. And there has not been a single morning in my entire life that I have thought I am good because of my skin, although I *have* lived every day thinking I’m good, I’ll not deny that. But then I found why the measure: it’s not ok to attack a person for saying they do not like a pro-Trump pattern. I left too. They said all support was banned! trump’s decades-long track record of racism is well-documented and is undeniable. Does that automatically make me a bad person? Post was not sent - check your email addresses! I couldn’t convince him that I’d never seen anything like that. MeWe is not user friendly, in…, We have seen from sad experience that the mix of b…, Dr Kurland, I just tried to friend you on MeWe und…, Gents, thanks for the tip on MeWe. Ravelry, a social network for knitters with 8 million members, banned users from showing support for Donald Trump on the platform Rosalie Chan Jun 24, 2019, 01:22 IST I don’t care what anyone’s politics are, I just want to turn pea-green with envy over everyone’s knitting skills. Any conservatives can feel welcome to particate as long as they remain muzzled. Well said and I agree with you completely. Please keep the truth going and help change other views that we are not evil people. But, yes.. Knitting is supposed to be calming.. Ravelry was I no longer buy yarn from manipulative and entirely unkind indie dyers. Posted … There are enough political forums in the internet without it infecting the crafting world. What does anyone’s political affiliation have to do with a site made for searching knitting and crocheting patterns and yarn? I just think it is a huge leap to judge and label a group of people just because you don’t agree with a few of their actions. The Ravelry page on Twitter is displaying so much hatred. Beautifully put! It is like a gut punch reading your comments. I pray someone will create a non partisan platform that we can unite on. I urge you to go look at what anti-Ravelry people are doing now, a week on. People … I hope it will be worth it. Exorcisms are like that. It’s too bad that the owners of Ravelry and their defenders can see past a few loud mouths. If I was at all interested in politics, I would join a political platform. I hope Ravelry goes down the tube as well. Thank you for being you!! If it were my thing, I’d sign right up. I understand your point. Ravelry, not being the government, can control the speech of its members who are then free to not be members if they wish. The world has enough chaos, biases, division, and corruption. I agree with you about the policy. I come from a long line of southerners (though I live in CA) and I am a Christian also. If it were anyone other than their supreme leader that had been banned, these phonies wouldn’t give a damn. I avoided the things I personally found unacceptable. Haven’t heard back yet….then I noticed she is a volunteer rav editor…. It’s not about bridging gaps or bringing people together. I’ve been a member for years. I didn’t ever think about any of those issues with fellow knitters. What happens to all your information when you delete it? They’re supposed to be the coexist crowd! I’m admittedly still not always exactly…. There are more things going on with their decision other than just Trump issues. I left Ravelry the day they posted the ban. But they do allow for polite debate under the “Off Topic” discussion board. Through knitting we should be hoping to build alliances with our alleged enemies through the majesty of our shared craft. Your letter has been al over the internet for months now and I reposted it again on my FB tonight. Because I see people in distress and want to help them. Just ridiculous! Dear Eyeamdust, To walk away as you have done takes courage & resolve to be the best you can be, something the narrow minded bigots who dare to bring discrimination into a crafting forum can never aspire to nor understand. People are like puppy dogs wanting to be loved and taken care of. Come on! On the other hand, I should have seen that something like that was coming from a woman who posts beneath her husband’s name (and, permission, really) and allows him to refer to her as “my bride”. I began praying again, in earnest, for the removal of pure evil from this world. Well said, Cheri. They didn’t say NO POLITICS they said trump supporters and supporters of his administration had better get in the closet and stay there or they will be banished. It looks like I must have signed up with Crochetville.com some time ago, but have been inactive so long I’ve forgotten my password. You said what I have thought and felt beautifully! More Ravelry members are voicing their objections to Ravelry banning President Trump supporters by posting videos on YouTube. The whole point of the creative arts, such as knitting, is to engage in an activity that is de stressing and creates something beautiful. I deleted my Ravelry account for the same reason. I don’t think companies are being very smart when they take a political “side”. I don’t care if you are Mormon, Catholic, Jewish or Hindu. Thank you for putting into words the betrayal I am feeling. It can be confused with arthritis because it may cause pain in joints, muscles and soft tissues. I don’t care if you are rich or poor. I appreciate my trash collector more than a movie star. Bwahahaha. Leaving Ravelry makes me sad. Do you have any information about that since you mentioned 50%. My decision to leave Ravelry was not politically motivated. Goodbye ravelry you once had a site for all yet you chose to divide. I do not care who they are for. Same here, I am leaving Ravelry due to the divisive agenda they are pushing. Independence Day!!! I’ve crocheted all my life, practically. And the Church’s respect for all human life and the dignity of every human being has long given an example of a better way than non-Christian cultures’ tossing unwanted children in the nearest river on on the nearest hilltop to be devoured by beasts, or leaving tribal elders too weak or sickly for the next migration abandoned in the old camp to starve. We cannot just push away and ignore what we don’t agree with. Being kind is a necessity but this is just too must nonsense! What incensed me was their claim to be inclusive. I know that recognition pisses off a lot of the folks who’ve gotten ahead by making obvious and nasty accusations with the assumption that folks are going to struggle to treat them as worthy of serious consideration, but there you are. WK Aiken- Well said. I have SO many cute photos of my babies in booties, Grandma in mitts, step Dad in hat, etc. Second, I feel your pain. It is so disheartening they they decided to refer to roughly 1/2 of their members as white supremacists. And I, for one, find that a very poisonous thing to do to a community. They should have banned ALL political post and kept the site about fiber arts! They can have fun making up that loss of followers and revenue. It’s kicking the Christian time at R. God Is Love is not homophobic at all. As you know, you and I are on opposite sides of the political spectrum. I left after their post on Instagram said there could be no discussion. https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/. Definitely not the message of acceptance and love I thought that community was…wishing there was elsewhere to find fellow crafters now. I too found the hat that you mentioned and was saddened to see that the Ravelry administrative team seemed to be interested in blocking one type of hate while allowing other forms of hate. Deleted objectionable posts and monitored the situation. Maybe it’s time for some self examination. Val – I hope you will give this some thought. I haven’t been back on Ravelry in several days due to all the hatred that is being spewed in their forums and am not sure yet if I will keep my account with them or not. It’s not about promoting inclusiveness. Banning talk and support for Trump is not a bad move on their part. So, where is the site that we can regroup, and um, rival, raverly? It could have used its platform to draw people together, it took the opposite road. anyway.. WalkAway from Ravelry: Intolerant knitting site Ravelry losing members. The writer is not caucasian, so this was written as an accusation, a condemnation. There is also a FB group called Walk Away from Ravelry. I have sent her a message inquiring where else I could find her patterns because I am soon leaving rav over their new policy/political statement. Thank you for expressing MY feelings exactly. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. That they can’t see the irony in their own statement makes me shake my head. I love how eloquently you describe your love of knitting. My first reaction to the new policy was sadness. Thank you for the great idea. It's there, working for you now, whether you click the link or not! If anyone is interested, a new site has started called “Our Unraveled” based on the fact the moderator feels the country is becoming “unraveled”. If and when they’re ready to keep discussions all about the yarn again, I’ll probably rejoin Ravelry at that point — and be happily apolitical there. I am not in control of anyone’s lifestyle choices except my own. Treat us all fairly or you lose. They didn’t think past their hatred for someone they don’t really even know and have consequently done as much, if not more damage, to people who have used their platform as a means to make a living. . This division between us is growing at a rapid rate and instead of helping to reign it in, pull it back, and find a way to get us BACK to the table, Ravelry decided that keeping us separate worked better for them as a company. Why can’t people just let others be, agree to disagree, and live and let live. Since this whole mess started, I have been struggling to find the words to express the sadness in my heart. For the life of me I will never understand actions like this. There are several new sites.. Fiberocity is one.. Our Unraveled is another. You said it yourself, politics has no place in knitting. https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2019/06/17/scotus-ruling-could-let-tech-platforms-avoid-first-amendment-constraints/?slreturn=20190601114954. Deal, woman. I am a South African. Perhaps because they can’t, but have just jumped onto a liberal bandwagon, or figuring it must be true because some stand up comedian made a joke about it. Just a lofty elitist pinnacle made of clay. I have been SHOCKED at people who state openly on IG that only their specific group woes and concerns matter. There are a lot of people that feel the same way, but you’ll find your crowd! Does this remind folks of anything? What I heard was no political ideology from eirher perspective would be allowed which is appropriate for a forum devoted to needle crafts. Yeah…. Thank you. I could not agree more! I agree that we all need havens from the storms around us. Ideally, I would prefer to keep Ravelry totally apolitical, with all political discussion banned. R…, Ah, the United Loyalists, or as some unkindl…, Except for Delaware, each of those states had subs…, I think you’ll find that anti-USAism (awful neolog…, Canada has an entirely different constitutional/po…, It would be interesting to see how a “Red America”…, FYI, there is a media platform called Rumble that…, Greenwald resigned from The Intercept over censors…, "How binary was the country during the Civil War?…, LQC: Amen, frater! So you know what it feels like to feel different, to be afraid. Ravelry.com is a social website for anyone who likes yarn. I’m afraid to even visit a local yarn store anymore for fear of facing scorn. There is a time and place for all things. Sometimes it takes me a second to figure things out. This says it better than I can. I moved all my patterns to the LoveKnitting app then deleted Ravelry. Thank you for your expression on this issue. 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